Here's what's in the bill, why it is so dangerous, and the meaningful steps you can take to fight back, support women's health, and help block this bill from becoming law
This proposed law seems specious at best, but you are aware that when someone killed a pregnant woman, they were usually charged with the death of both the woman and the baby? What is the qualitative difference here?
Yes, of course it still had to be proved that the perpetrator did it, but if that precedent was centuries old, I don’t understand why it suddenly was abandoned by simply saying that the smaller person was no longer a person.
Also, I’m not sure a woman can be given the death penalty for being an accessory to the murder, the abortionist is the one that actually commits the murder while the woman is under anesthesia. So the idea that the woman would be held capitally culpable seems dubious.
Since we do have laws about murder, and people are successfully tried for murder all the time, and there are always extenuating mitigating factors that explain the degree of culpability, the issue is not whether or not to punish murderers, the issue is who is the murderer (willfully) and who is the victim. Those definitions are crucial. And absolutely we are way too lax on punishing the men who put women in this position of being pregnant and unable to care for a child. But in my opinion, it doesn’t make sense to hold the child culpable for their parent or parents’ wrongdoings.
The difference is viability of life. A fetus has to be able to live independently from the mother, to be considered a viable pregnancy, it varies by weeks in states. Wanted or not. Medical intervention to help a premature baby is not the same as the process of fetal development. Most miscarriages happen in the first 6 weeks, because the “wiring” just ain’t right, to develop into a human.
Abortion is not murder, unless that child is old enough and breathes oxygen. Think last trimester and no congenital defects, just simply “unwanted”. Most would put the child up for adoption, at that point. No one is killing babies, unless they are rapists who need to destroy the DNA of the child. Think human traffickers and incest. Or developmentally delayed women being sterilized, at the same time.
Most religions acknowledge abortion is “lawful”, if the life of the mother is at risk. We can argue about God’s will and when the soul is implanted, and if IVF babies have souls and if the elite have already been cloning themselves, but your basic understanding of abortion as homicide is incorrect.
Wouldn't us contacting legislators outside of our districts make it harder for SC constituents to voice their concerns? I want to give those misogynistic maggots a piece of my mind, but I'm worried that doing so would be a setback to our mission of killing this bill.
When it comes to this kind of legislation, more people need to know about an old Scottish saying that goes, “Might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb.”
It basically means that if someone has committed one crime and they know that no matter what happens next, they are screwed, then a criminal has no reason to hold back, which makes sense when you think about it.
Even law-and-order zealots acknowledge the necessity for different levels of punishment depending on the crime because if you decide to make all crimes punishable by death, whether someone committed shoplifting or shot a man in Reno just to watch them die, then once a criminal has committed one crime, they no longer have a reason to hold back from committing any other crimes. They might as well permanently resolve as many grudges as they want or just do whatever they feel like until the authorities catch them, because they have zero reasons to hold back.
That’s my advice for women in this situation. If you’re going to be killed for getting an abortion, then there’s no reason to hold back; you might as well permanently resolve whatever grudges you want, as many as you can, until the authorities catch you.
Pregnant as a result of being raped? Kill your rapist. Wanna kill that creep who sexually harasses you at work? Sure. Kill whoever you feel like. My only advice is to try to limit your murder spree to jerks who deserve it.
When the authorities catch you and you wind up on death row for your crimes, you can go to the execution chamber with the feeling that you at least earned your punishment.
If these 3 politicians are going to introduce a bill that would legally grant a fetus personhood status—and simultaneously make abortions a felonious crime punishable by execution of the mother, then Pandora’s box would unleashed.
These people are opening up a can of worms that need to be further exploited…errrr, explored…in terms of the unintentional consequences for men.
1. Doesn’t this bill open up the pathway for any male who impregnates a woman—a woman who has complications prior to, during, or after birth (in the state of South Carolina)—being guilty of assault with a deadly weapon, and/or potentially m@nsl@ughter?
2. Wouldn’t every unmarried father then need to pay child support from the moment of conception? I propose a mandatory $750 per month “pre- and post-natal” automatic minimum child support payment requirement. I’m alternatively OK with the required pre/post natal child support payment minimum being the amount of the average monthly daycare bill for that county, whichever is higher.
3. Since we’re “wildin’ out” here, as the kids say…wouldn’t it also mean that the father, as the parent of a fetus who has personhood, is responsible for the actions of their child and any woman who has gone through those self-same pregnancy complications could also then turn around and sue the father of the child for damages (pain + suffering, and more)?
4. Even a regular, uncomplicated birth is painful. So, couldn’t literally any pregnant woman, on a monthly basis, also sue the father of her unborn fetus (who has personhood, right?) for pain and suffering? Theoretically, she could sue him for every contraction, because his child assaulted her by causing said contraction. Of course, I also support hooking up each father of an unborn child to a “contraction simulator” machine that allows him to experience the pain of contractions. He can volunteer to be hooked up to this machine for 1 hour per day for 9 months and if he chooses this option then it reduces his fiscal liability for the “assault and battery via contraction” fine by 10%.
5. She could also sue on a monthly basis for each instance of back aches, vomiting, etcetera—couldn’t she? I mean, sounds like torture to me, right? Couldn’t a pregnant woman sue the father on a monthly basis (or more) since he directly and indirectly caused his child to torture her for nine months straight?
I mean, she didn’t impregnate herself. The last time I checked, no egg becomes a “fetus-with-personhood” unless the man directly causes conception via insemin@tion, so he is literally the only parent at fault for causing (technically, he forced) his child to assault the mother.
Look at those ugly, blubbery men. Fat, lazy and stupid is no way to go through life. Well you readers probably already know my answer- shoot them all. And then torture them. Men who say that about women do not deserve to live, and i mean it. We women have rights. We women are to be respected! And we want to use all of our rights. No anti abortion men allowed. We couldn’t care less about men’s opinions. Men have to act like women are lesser because they are terrified of smart women. Chickenshit men.
I hope to be worse than they are— against them. They can’t do that under ANY regime in the world. Men putting women to death? I can’t wait for their demise. I might help it along. Who the fuck do they think they are?????
Words cannot adequately express how upset their proposed ruling makes me feel. Why do any women live in SC? Where's the clause that the man who impregnated a woman should also be sentenced to death? It is beyond outrageous.
Sent an email to these 3 MEN sharing my story. Retired to SC, but am a native Pennsylvanian - where I had access to reproductive care. Our daughters & granddaughters should have the same rights & access that we did. As it stands, livestock will have better reproductive care than women in the “great state of South Carolina”.
The white southern maleness story radiates from those three pictures. What doesn't get told is the character of white southern women who support their own abuse at the hand of these "good ole boys."
I write this as profoundly as I can. They are fuckers.
This proposed law seems specious at best, but you are aware that when someone killed a pregnant woman, they were usually charged with the death of both the woman and the baby? What is the qualitative difference here?
Yes, of course it still had to be proved that the perpetrator did it, but if that precedent was centuries old, I don’t understand why it suddenly was abandoned by simply saying that the smaller person was no longer a person.
Also, I’m not sure a woman can be given the death penalty for being an accessory to the murder, the abortionist is the one that actually commits the murder while the woman is under anesthesia. So the idea that the woman would be held capitally culpable seems dubious.
Since we do have laws about murder, and people are successfully tried for murder all the time, and there are always extenuating mitigating factors that explain the degree of culpability, the issue is not whether or not to punish murderers, the issue is who is the murderer (willfully) and who is the victim. Those definitions are crucial. And absolutely we are way too lax on punishing the men who put women in this position of being pregnant and unable to care for a child. But in my opinion, it doesn’t make sense to hold the child culpable for their parent or parents’ wrongdoings.
The difference is viability of life. A fetus has to be able to live independently from the mother, to be considered a viable pregnancy, it varies by weeks in states. Wanted or not. Medical intervention to help a premature baby is not the same as the process of fetal development. Most miscarriages happen in the first 6 weeks, because the “wiring” just ain’t right, to develop into a human.
Abortion is not murder, unless that child is old enough and breathes oxygen. Think last trimester and no congenital defects, just simply “unwanted”. Most would put the child up for adoption, at that point. No one is killing babies, unless they are rapists who need to destroy the DNA of the child. Think human traffickers and incest. Or developmentally delayed women being sterilized, at the same time.
Most religions acknowledge abortion is “lawful”, if the life of the mother is at risk. We can argue about God’s will and when the soul is implanted, and if IVF babies have souls and if the elite have already been cloning themselves, but your basic understanding of abortion as homicide is incorrect.
Wouldn't us contacting legislators outside of our districts make it harder for SC constituents to voice their concerns? I want to give those misogynistic maggots a piece of my mind, but I'm worried that doing so would be a setback to our mission of killing this bill.
https://indivisible.org/resource/why-you-should-not-call-members-who-arent-yours
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When it comes to this kind of legislation, more people need to know about an old Scottish saying that goes, “Might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb.”
It basically means that if someone has committed one crime and they know that no matter what happens next, they are screwed, then a criminal has no reason to hold back, which makes sense when you think about it.
Even law-and-order zealots acknowledge the necessity for different levels of punishment depending on the crime because if you decide to make all crimes punishable by death, whether someone committed shoplifting or shot a man in Reno just to watch them die, then once a criminal has committed one crime, they no longer have a reason to hold back from committing any other crimes. They might as well permanently resolve as many grudges as they want or just do whatever they feel like until the authorities catch them, because they have zero reasons to hold back.
That’s my advice for women in this situation. If you’re going to be killed for getting an abortion, then there’s no reason to hold back; you might as well permanently resolve whatever grudges you want, as many as you can, until the authorities catch you.
Pregnant as a result of being raped? Kill your rapist. Wanna kill that creep who sexually harasses you at work? Sure. Kill whoever you feel like. My only advice is to try to limit your murder spree to jerks who deserve it.
When the authorities catch you and you wind up on death row for your crimes, you can go to the execution chamber with the feeling that you at least earned your punishment.
Malicious Compliance Trigger Alert!
If these 3 politicians are going to introduce a bill that would legally grant a fetus personhood status—and simultaneously make abortions a felonious crime punishable by execution of the mother, then Pandora’s box would unleashed.
These people are opening up a can of worms that need to be further exploited…errrr, explored…in terms of the unintentional consequences for men.
1. Doesn’t this bill open up the pathway for any male who impregnates a woman—a woman who has complications prior to, during, or after birth (in the state of South Carolina)—being guilty of assault with a deadly weapon, and/or potentially m@nsl@ughter?
2. Wouldn’t every unmarried father then need to pay child support from the moment of conception? I propose a mandatory $750 per month “pre- and post-natal” automatic minimum child support payment requirement. I’m alternatively OK with the required pre/post natal child support payment minimum being the amount of the average monthly daycare bill for that county, whichever is higher.
3. Since we’re “wildin’ out” here, as the kids say…wouldn’t it also mean that the father, as the parent of a fetus who has personhood, is responsible for the actions of their child and any woman who has gone through those self-same pregnancy complications could also then turn around and sue the father of the child for damages (pain + suffering, and more)?
4. Even a regular, uncomplicated birth is painful. So, couldn’t literally any pregnant woman, on a monthly basis, also sue the father of her unborn fetus (who has personhood, right?) for pain and suffering? Theoretically, she could sue him for every contraction, because his child assaulted her by causing said contraction. Of course, I also support hooking up each father of an unborn child to a “contraction simulator” machine that allows him to experience the pain of contractions. He can volunteer to be hooked up to this machine for 1 hour per day for 9 months and if he chooses this option then it reduces his fiscal liability for the “assault and battery via contraction” fine by 10%.
5. She could also sue on a monthly basis for each instance of back aches, vomiting, etcetera—couldn’t she? I mean, sounds like torture to me, right? Couldn’t a pregnant woman sue the father on a monthly basis (or more) since he directly and indirectly caused his child to torture her for nine months straight?
I mean, she didn’t impregnate herself. The last time I checked, no egg becomes a “fetus-with-personhood” unless the man directly causes conception via insemin@tion, so he is literally the only parent at fault for causing (technically, he forced) his child to assault the mother.
…What are we doing here, people?
Look at those ugly, blubbery men. Fat, lazy and stupid is no way to go through life. Well you readers probably already know my answer- shoot them all. And then torture them. Men who say that about women do not deserve to live, and i mean it. We women have rights. We women are to be respected! And we want to use all of our rights. No anti abortion men allowed. We couldn’t care less about men’s opinions. Men have to act like women are lesser because they are terrified of smart women. Chickenshit men.
Shoot and then torture? That's being as bad as they are.
Fight fire with fire— not much success with anything else.
I hope to be worse than they are— against them. They can’t do that under ANY regime in the world. Men putting women to death? I can’t wait for their demise. I might help it along. Who the fuck do they think they are?????
Women vigilantes will be too fabulous to kill.
That’s not helping the cause, that’s venting your anger in a way that will only do harm to the cause.
Words cannot adequately express how upset their proposed ruling makes me feel. Why do any women live in SC? Where's the clause that the man who impregnated a woman should also be sentenced to death? It is beyond outrageous.
Tubaligation anyone?
Emails sent. Thank you for the info. Restacked! And sent to my local news, curious to see if airs.
Sent an email to these 3 MEN sharing my story. Retired to SC, but am a native Pennsylvanian - where I had access to reproductive care. Our daughters & granddaughters should have the same rights & access that we did. As it stands, livestock will have better reproductive care than women in the “great state of South Carolina”.
The white southern maleness story radiates from those three pictures. What doesn't get told is the character of white southern women who support their own abuse at the hand of these "good ole boys."
Thank you for calling this out!
Psychopaths, all of them! What are the odds of finding some equally contemptible, horrendous stuff on their internet activities?
Rest refuel revolution
I read through this yesterday; this legislature is vile. But, control the women, control the world.