Another thing to consider is the gigantic risk if something goes wrong in "red states". If a woman experience a miscarriage and the fetal matter is expelled without intervention. The woman risks an investigation best case scenario. We have already seen atleast 1 woman get charged for the way she disposed of the fetal matter when she had a miscarriage in a toilet. And we know that women have died because hospitals and doctors don't want to lose their licence or go to jail.
That's the problem. We, as a nation, forgot what that is which is the reason for suggestions like the 5ooo$ for your white baby.
When I heard this for the first time it immediately reminded me of Hitler's medal for women who had given birth to, I think, 6 or more children.
All that for future cannon fodder!
Aside from the fact that this "idea" sounds racist when one considers the Republicans' angst about White Minority Populus, it also screams "suckers" at the top of its lungs.
I am 62 and my wife s 60 and we were paid for that day we showed up, we were both born in the same hospital in the same town 15 months apart. I found a check that was used to pay the delivery for me in 1962, it was $275.00.
Once baby is born they're on their own. If they're lucky mom will live through childbirth. They are trying to take away women's freedoms including the right to vote. We have to fight this as it will not end well for any of us.
This white man plan for white women to get paid $5000 to have a baby is racist and ludicrous. I resent this type of manipulation. I don't believe for one moment brown and black moms will be compensated, but that may be my cynicism showing.
Born in 1939 - an end of Depression baby. Grew up with the mantra "Can't afford that" ringing in my ears. No Birth control until after my son was born. Once and done by 1961. Already it took two incomes to keep my family afloat. Worked for 20 some odd years in a "woman's profession" scraping by from week to week, until our province's only socialist premier implemented Pay Equity for the public sector. Spent the last years of my career making enough money to bump up my pension and actually save money for the first time in my life....
Over a lifetime of reading and interest in archaeology, I became aware of the many "lost" or abandoned cities/civilizations scattered across the globe; enjoying the many theories around their collapse. A new one just popped into my head. Just suppose these conglomerations of humanity espoused communal living for various reasons including self defense, economic prosperity, the simple pleasure of social interaction, but over time conditions deteriorated either through leadership failure, cost of living, exhaustion of resources etc. the birth rate started to fall from ill health, starvation, what have you, and the survivors could no longer hang on, leaving to find better conditions. Some fell to conquest of course, but many just seem to have lost their populations.
Versions of that story are happening before our eyes, most due to warfare and intractable hatred. But we could be approaching the climate apocalypse that empties cities.
I wonder what survivors of this civilizational collapse will think when they sift through the ashes and marvel at the remnants of Palestine, Ukraine, Sudan, the newest layers of ruins in the middle east? Will they be able to make sense of Trump's $5000 baby bonus? or the histories left behind in Israel, Tibet, the concentration camps of the luckless migrants, charnel houses of human failure? It looks like some of these vanished empires happened quickly, others perhaps over generations. People and animals stop reproducing when living conditions become intolerable. Instead of "solving" the migrant crisis through deportation, Trump and company could be precipitating an exodus by turning the US into an intolerable place to live.
Very reasonable, but the majority of people in the government are greedy and corrupt, the top one percent.are sick with greed, and some States want to put children to work in place of the immigrants that they're purging because of fear and bigotry. What a mess. If everyone in this country actually listened and cared, we could have it back.
EXACTLY. Though even with the high rates years ago and what the wealthy did to avoid paying it , many gave to charities (which suffered under the tRump tax scam cuts of 2017), after loopholes etc. they still paid way more in taxes than they do now though! I laughed when I read $5,000- are they kidding? How about unburdening the young with heavy loans they took out to try to improve their chances of finding a better job but put off having a family because they are too busy working two or three jobs to pay it off - Prime reproductive years wasted afterall ! I knew the abortion stuff etc. was all about getting kids produced, though with all the cuts they don't particularly care about helping the families, Moms or kids with their attacks on the social safety net programs. So , just curious if that pathetic check goes to non-white people who want to have kids too? I won't hold my breath on it.🤔🙄😏
Everything you’ve said is absolutely correct . $5000 is an insult . And a quick question - would this munificence just be for white folk having babies ? Or are brown and black babies’ parents also going to receive this insulting small change ? Had the spray tanned shitlet have ANY idea of what it costs to have a child ? Of course he doesn’t . Like he has no fucking clue how to be a ‘leader’.
Average cost of raising a child (and not included the pre & post-natal medical care) is about 250,000 to the age of 18- not including college or extra schooling- is what I last read, now will be more with cost rising esp. under the Orange Idiot. $5K is a drop in the bucket and just shows the Billionaire cheapness.
Qasim, I completely agree with everything you have said but what about the elephant in the room?? with the current horrific legislation that prevents doctors giving appropriate healthcare to pregnant women, a pregnancy can easily be a death sentence nowadays.
Yup- and their desire to also go after birth control. I mean like meds etc. which is in that stupid Project 2025. MEANWHILE , they are against a kid getting a free lunch at school.
I am in the Baby Boomer Generation and realized very early on that there were people in my family from The Greatest Generation who would need the support of my husband and myself to stay afloat. Because we both had decent savings and knew a pension was coming in our retirement we were able to help our relative in need. No chance of that had we opted for children. If we had to make that decision in the mid 1980s with good jobs most young people today are in an impossible situation. The lack of universal health care is a huge problem. No one knows if their child might have a long term illness, or have an accident that costs a lot for treatment. Layoffs are happening all over and the safety of pregnancy in the US is declining. Unless we deal with the real issues discussed in this article there will be fewer and fewer young people interested in having a family.
My first two kids were born at a military hospital. They cost $15 between the two of them. My youngest son was born in a civilian hospital. He cost $350. That was a long time ago.
Unending growth is unsustainable. The USA can attract all the immigrants it needs to fill all spots without raising newborns here, creating landfills full of diapers. However, if they really want more birth-citizens, why not welcome birth tourism? Oh, they only want blond, blue-eyed babies learning English only?
When I hear Musk going on about how the declining population (which is a global thing not just the US, though the Middle East is pretty good except when they keep having wars) will cause civilization to collapse , I just laugh. Civilization has existed with far fewer people- Rome fell from internal corruption (sound familiar), great inequality between classes and because it got too big to manage effectively, not because of a birth decline. This country fought WW2 with a population around 100 million. Actually, fewer people would mean less pollution, less fighting over resources, less garbage & depletion of natural resources, so yeah, it would actually be better for the planet and people on it. Planning for the Boomers should have gone on years ago , but solutions other than pushing to have more kids can be enacted to cover any labor shortage. Mr. Arpatheid Musk is just worried about having a white majority in the West & on Mars .😏🤣
Qasim. I am proposing similar positions to help establish a DNC platform. The DNC does not yet respond. Mitch Landrieu is doing a post mortem on the last election. He is finding we did not deal with people on a personal level. We need to discuss that.
Another thing to consider is the gigantic risk if something goes wrong in "red states". If a woman experience a miscarriage and the fetal matter is expelled without intervention. The woman risks an investigation best case scenario. We have already seen atleast 1 woman get charged for the way she disposed of the fetal matter when she had a miscarriage in a toilet. And we know that women have died because hospitals and doctors don't want to lose their licence or go to jail.
Qasim, you speak with Common Sense.
That's the problem. We, as a nation, forgot what that is which is the reason for suggestions like the 5ooo$ for your white baby.
When I heard this for the first time it immediately reminded me of Hitler's medal for women who had given birth to, I think, 6 or more children.
All that for future cannon fodder!
Aside from the fact that this "idea" sounds racist when one considers the Republicans' angst about White Minority Populus, it also screams "suckers" at the top of its lungs.
Send that POS back to South Africa
I am 62 and my wife s 60 and we were paid for that day we showed up, we were both born in the same hospital in the same town 15 months apart. I found a check that was used to pay the delivery for me in 1962, it was $275.00.
Thank you for a hard nosed analysis with data that supports my values.
Also I love the dialogues you have sparked in this thread!!
Once baby is born they're on their own. If they're lucky mom will live through childbirth. They are trying to take away women's freedoms including the right to vote. We have to fight this as it will not end well for any of us.
This white man plan for white women to get paid $5000 to have a baby is racist and ludicrous. I resent this type of manipulation. I don't believe for one moment brown and black moms will be compensated, but that may be my cynicism showing.
No one will be compensated
Born in 1939 - an end of Depression baby. Grew up with the mantra "Can't afford that" ringing in my ears. No Birth control until after my son was born. Once and done by 1961. Already it took two incomes to keep my family afloat. Worked for 20 some odd years in a "woman's profession" scraping by from week to week, until our province's only socialist premier implemented Pay Equity for the public sector. Spent the last years of my career making enough money to bump up my pension and actually save money for the first time in my life....
Over a lifetime of reading and interest in archaeology, I became aware of the many "lost" or abandoned cities/civilizations scattered across the globe; enjoying the many theories around their collapse. A new one just popped into my head. Just suppose these conglomerations of humanity espoused communal living for various reasons including self defense, economic prosperity, the simple pleasure of social interaction, but over time conditions deteriorated either through leadership failure, cost of living, exhaustion of resources etc. the birth rate started to fall from ill health, starvation, what have you, and the survivors could no longer hang on, leaving to find better conditions. Some fell to conquest of course, but many just seem to have lost their populations.
Versions of that story are happening before our eyes, most due to warfare and intractable hatred. But we could be approaching the climate apocalypse that empties cities.
I wonder what survivors of this civilizational collapse will think when they sift through the ashes and marvel at the remnants of Palestine, Ukraine, Sudan, the newest layers of ruins in the middle east? Will they be able to make sense of Trump's $5000 baby bonus? or the histories left behind in Israel, Tibet, the concentration camps of the luckless migrants, charnel houses of human failure? It looks like some of these vanished empires happened quickly, others perhaps over generations. People and animals stop reproducing when living conditions become intolerable. Instead of "solving" the migrant crisis through deportation, Trump and company could be precipitating an exodus by turning the US into an intolerable place to live.
They already are pushing for a Brain Drain with the scientists & intellectual crowd.
Very reasonable, but the majority of people in the government are greedy and corrupt, the top one percent.are sick with greed, and some States want to put children to work in place of the immigrants that they're purging because of fear and bigotry. What a mess. If everyone in this country actually listened and cared, we could have it back.
EXACTLY. Though even with the high rates years ago and what the wealthy did to avoid paying it , many gave to charities (which suffered under the tRump tax scam cuts of 2017), after loopholes etc. they still paid way more in taxes than they do now though! I laughed when I read $5,000- are they kidding? How about unburdening the young with heavy loans they took out to try to improve their chances of finding a better job but put off having a family because they are too busy working two or three jobs to pay it off - Prime reproductive years wasted afterall ! I knew the abortion stuff etc. was all about getting kids produced, though with all the cuts they don't particularly care about helping the families, Moms or kids with their attacks on the social safety net programs. So , just curious if that pathetic check goes to non-white people who want to have kids too? I won't hold my breath on it.🤔🙄😏
Everything you’ve said is absolutely correct . $5000 is an insult . And a quick question - would this munificence just be for white folk having babies ? Or are brown and black babies’ parents also going to receive this insulting small change ? Had the spray tanned shitlet have ANY idea of what it costs to have a child ? Of course he doesn’t . Like he has no fucking clue how to be a ‘leader’.
Average cost of raising a child (and not included the pre & post-natal medical care) is about 250,000 to the age of 18- not including college or extra schooling- is what I last read, now will be more with cost rising esp. under the Orange Idiot. $5K is a drop in the bucket and just shows the Billionaire cheapness.
Calling him out of touch is an understatement.
You are so right-on! No doubt this plays into their fetal love and deadly abortion bans.
Qasim, I completely agree with everything you have said but what about the elephant in the room?? with the current horrific legislation that prevents doctors giving appropriate healthcare to pregnant women, a pregnancy can easily be a death sentence nowadays.
Yup- and their desire to also go after birth control. I mean like meds etc. which is in that stupid Project 2025. MEANWHILE , they are against a kid getting a free lunch at school.
I am in the Baby Boomer Generation and realized very early on that there were people in my family from The Greatest Generation who would need the support of my husband and myself to stay afloat. Because we both had decent savings and knew a pension was coming in our retirement we were able to help our relative in need. No chance of that had we opted for children. If we had to make that decision in the mid 1980s with good jobs most young people today are in an impossible situation. The lack of universal health care is a huge problem. No one knows if their child might have a long term illness, or have an accident that costs a lot for treatment. Layoffs are happening all over and the safety of pregnancy in the US is declining. Unless we deal with the real issues discussed in this article there will be fewer and fewer young people interested in having a family.
My first two kids were born at a military hospital. They cost $15 between the two of them. My youngest son was born in a civilian hospital. He cost $350. That was a long time ago.
Unending growth is unsustainable. The USA can attract all the immigrants it needs to fill all spots without raising newborns here, creating landfills full of diapers. However, if they really want more birth-citizens, why not welcome birth tourism? Oh, they only want blond, blue-eyed babies learning English only?
“Unending growth is unsustainable” indeed. Priorities have to change
When I hear Musk going on about how the declining population (which is a global thing not just the US, though the Middle East is pretty good except when they keep having wars) will cause civilization to collapse , I just laugh. Civilization has existed with far fewer people- Rome fell from internal corruption (sound familiar), great inequality between classes and because it got too big to manage effectively, not because of a birth decline. This country fought WW2 with a population around 100 million. Actually, fewer people would mean less pollution, less fighting over resources, less garbage & depletion of natural resources, so yeah, it would actually be better for the planet and people on it. Planning for the Boomers should have gone on years ago , but solutions other than pushing to have more kids can be enacted to cover any labor shortage. Mr. Arpatheid Musk is just worried about having a white majority in the West & on Mars .😏🤣
Excellent thoughts, with great organization,
Qasim. I am proposing similar positions to help establish a DNC platform. The DNC does not yet respond. Mitch Landrieu is doing a post mortem on the last election. He is finding we did not deal with people on a personal level. We need to discuss that.
https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/a-just-movement?r=3m1bs