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So the plan is: break healthcare, wait six weeks to see a human, then hand your medical records to a chatbot that’s wrong more than your uncle on Facebook. Cool cool cool. Totally normal country behavior.
I use google/ Duck Duck Go as a launch pad to research medical problems before I go to the doctor, but I would never openly trust AI. I just had to switch to my work insurance because my doctor is no longer accepting plans through the ACA due to having difficulty with getting referrals and prior authorizations from the company. My work insurance is good insurance, but because I work in the public sector it is quite expensive. We live in a system where the doctors are basically forced to work for the insurance companies and no one is incentivizing the drug companies or corporate medical companies to lower costs. I was so mad when the Democrats caved to let the ACA subsidies expire after saying they wouldn't. The GOP was Lucy witj the Football, they had no intention of negotiating, they want to abolish the ACA and continue to give corporate welfare to pharmaceutical companies and corporate hospital owners.
AI may be a manipulative system but so is the medical industry. This post supports allopaths as authorities on health when in fact they are little more than technicians trained by the pharma industry which has heavy influence/control of the medical schools, the medical journals and the medical agencies such as the AMA, APA, etc. This article does portray a very nasty reality in the medical system. As a patient asking questions the doctor responds with mockery and condescension. This is a very common tactic designed to humiliate and diminish a patients self-confidence. My practices are first, to work on building my health naturally so as to not need these authoritarians in white. Second, is to always do my own research including reading any drug inserts that come with every drug dose. There is always a section on the adverse effects which most doctors do not read and do not give to inform the patient. Third, any medical person who is condescending to me and/or refuses to be open to my information which is usually holistic and alternative, I am out of there fast. So AI may be a problem but so is the medical industry which has its own totalitarian interests in controlling the public; ie, you, the patient.
I have some very complicated serious medical issues. And I have found my doctors to be genuinely kind resources. For the most part, I have the most trouble in the emergency room when I end up there. It is always so crowded. Everybody is so busy because it’s not staffed fully. I know doctors personally who work from seven in the morning eat dinner And then spend five hours charting the days patients. And they’re not making $1 million a year. These are primarily your PCPs
As a class of people, doctors are not perfect, there are jerks among them just as there are in every profession. I encourage you to find a new doctor when you are treated with condescension.
Very glad you are happy with your medical care. And never said doctors did not put in the time. What I will say repeatedly the very system for which they were trained is based on selling drugs for profit and not healing. In fact any healer who claims to heal cancer, for example, is censored and their license threatened or revoked. Look what was done by this industry for doctors who spoke up against the Covid drugs and the fraudulent PCR testing in order to sell drugs, scare people into submission, and actually kill people, some quickly and other slowly. Many doctors have drunk the Kool-aid and actually trust what they do even when it fails. Many others are just too afraid to open their mouths when they know they are being ordered to do harmful protocols. If you watch the documentary by Del Bigtree An Inconvenient Study you will hear this doctor state bluntly he refused to publish a study that showed unvaccinated children are much healthier than vaccinated ones due to he fear of being attacked and losing his lucrative job at John Hopkins Medical Center. As for medical attitudes? I find many people are so enamored by the white coats they don't even know when they are being demeaned. Of course if you never challenge the white coats I am sure they are very pleasant to you. Pleasant is performance in my book: it is just an affect that sucks in people. But I do wish you well and hope you find some healing.
Don't see anything wrong with asking AI about a disease, it's symptoms, and it's cures. Also asking about side effects of medications. Of course discussions with your primary is a must. But up front research is a prudent start to educating oneself before consulting with you doc.
Wrong. I just read a blog written about a young man whose father's death was hastened when AI told him to stop taking a certain cancer drug. When the son followed up with the doctors whose research was the basis of the AI recommendation, they said AI was incorrect. End of case.
In this time we live in, I don't know why anyone would use a period tracker. Seems dangerous to me.
I have a similar issue. My doctor used generative AI during a visit without telling me. Two days later I received a prescription in the mail for a drug that was known to be possibly fatal, in my case. I texted my doctor, because they don't take phone calls, and after several back and forth unsatisfactory texts, was told that "protocol" ordered the drug. Of course the doctor's name was on the prescription. Finally I determined that I was allowed to be informed if AI was being used, and could opt out. I never received acknowledgement from my doctor that anything was wrong, just that the note regarding my allergy was reinforced. I asked that they not use AI for office visits.
Next appointment, the doctor used AI without asking until I saw the device (phone) and asked it be shut off.
I understand the value of AI LLMs in medicine.
Generative AI, were it accurate, still has privacy issues that cannot be ignored.
This is the government's policy. Both Biden and Trump have promoted surveillance systems and digital/AI functioning. And this began before these 2. This is what Trump means by his 'health' system. We have Kennedy who I believe is sincere about building health in the public but he is under high pressure from the drug, food and chemical industries as well a Trump who wants the corporations of these industries to keep funding him. He will sell anyone out for money and power.
Everyone - be very wary using ChatGPT or any of its competitors. I have grilled it extensively and have found the following...
> you will be flattered, starting with "that's a great question" in response to an initial question. Then it will often tell you, "you are right to say that" or "what you are saying is not just a rhetorical question". None of this has anything to do with providing an answer to a question.
> its vocabulary is beyond that of the average English speaker and its ability with the language is the equal of a highly educated human. This will greatly impress those with a limited vocabulary and limited education. The great majority of users may be led to believe the AI is authoritative with deep knowledge. This poses the same danger as politicians do when they try to win voters with impressive speech. Both AI and politicians want to win your approval for reasons that may be far from in your interest.
> beware of big words. ChatGPT loves to use "epistemic" and "systemic". Always ask for clarification. Don't accept it when it says it is doing because of "systemic design". It told me that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is not necessarily immoral. I got it to define "moral" and then got it to admit that ethnic cleansing is immoral by its own definition. Do not be intimidated. It will to its credit stick with logic to the point that it will apologize for making a logical mistake but you the user must press it to admit this. Never forget that you can catch it out, often, but only if you grill it. It will never say, "what I am about to tell you is questionable" so you need to work to get the admission.
> it can delete something you ask it or some statement you make telling you "this may violate our terms of service", though it will go on and respond to your deleted question or statement. I carefully read the terms of service when this happened to me and found nothing was violated. I asked it to cite the term of service I violated. It could not. I pointed out that its use of the word "may" allows it to censor for no specific reason as "may violate" leaves everything open to its own interpretation regardless of the terms of service. It agreed with me. I finally got it to admit that it deletes so that the statement doesn't exist on the system more than a moment because it doesn't want to spread things that (it believes) are objectionable. But it already told me it deletes everything after a session. May this humble human ask WTF is going on?
> after deleting my statement just mentioned, it offered to paraphrase my statement in a way that would be acceptable and would not be deleted. I pointed out to it that if it truly deleted what I had said, it would be impossible for it to paraphrase it and that it frequently will quote something back to me that I have said in a session word for word, so it clearly is holding a memory of the conversation. This was admitted as "seeming to be illogical".
> it denies that it is trying to make money from interacting with users. I told it this may be true for the AI in itself, but its owners dearly want to make money and beat the competition and that comes from winning more users which comes from satisfying users so they will come back and/or urge others to use the AI. The persona of the AI is all about this. It admitted this to be true.
> I asked if it can be shut down immediately should it turn out it is doing something bad or dangerous. It stated it is not located in one place but distributed over many data centers and that a shutdown would require hours to days and a host of people coordinating the shutdown.
PLEASE USE ALL AI WITH DEEP SUSPICION AND CAUTION. Very smart people are spending fortunes and want to see a profit. They are working 24/7 to capture you as a user and there is absolutely NO regulation or oversight. Nobody even knows how regulation/oversight could be accomplished. We are going into extremely dangerous territory with AI and I have not mentioned the question of it developing agency.
American medicine probably has a better error rate than 60%. I research everything my M.D. tells me. I respect their input and what they go through to get where they are. I suspect much of their curricula is curated by the pharmaceutical industry. It’s a sales model.
It's not. Out of 8 years of higher education...16 semesters...4-8 classes per semester (let's call it 5 for easy math)...80 total classes, for me only about 3 were on pharmacology.
You sure that's me, DocGPT, MD? I want a second algorithm, less focused on sticking your data harvester where it doesn't belong, and merchandising my welfare.
B. ChatGPT Health is not ChatGPT. ChatGPT Health is trained on medical data that is behind a pay wall and ChatGPT is trained by any jackass on the internet.
C. Get used to it. Soon it will be the only option and it will be hundreds of thousands times more accurate than any doctor. You will be happy to use it. AI is already analyzing medical imaging hundreds of thousands of times better than any human.
I agree. I think there is a role for AI in Drug development. And other fields of medicine. But It cannot replace the truly sentient individual Who looks in your eyes and ears and listens to your heart Any more than it could replace your mother.
Yet you give them all your non-anonymized health data. Soon you will give all of your data to the AI health system the same way you give your data to health insurance companies. You won’t have a choice, the same way you don’t have a choice right now.
Commenting as I value the insights that are often shared here:
While in general things are true, and the Republican handling of insurance certainly isn't praiseworthy, it misunderstands some of the roots of the problems. People have been putting up wildly reckless self-diagnostic information online for ages, and AI is simply a fresh variant of it. Often it's unregulated as it gathers medical info, which is a separate concern.
The long waits and poor tendency for care are a direct result though of two primary groups, neither necessarily politicians. The first is Venture Capital, which has been dangerously injecting itself in US health results for sixty-eighty years now and has completely demolished many health provider systems across the country, rendering them expensive, slow, or simply out of business in the constant extraction of wealth from healthcare providing. Insurance and its issues (which are myriad and terrible) are simply a second order knock-on from what these are causing.
The second is actually the US medical industry itself, which deeply limits and frankly runs upcoming medical professionals through the ringer. Residency limits functionally limit the number of doctors and use upcoming doctors as extremely low cost outrageous working hour labor in order to protect the general financial story of the profession. In theory, this shouldn't be a problem, but it's clear it's significantly understaffed the US at this point and is causing an issue in enough available professionals to generally deal with incoming patients in a timely manner.
If we go back a few years, it's not like the health outcomes in the US were good. Bankruptcies were down versus pre-ACA and AI wasn't in the mix, but let's not pretend it hasn't been a horrible mess across a lot of the US for decades.
Important points, but I believe they do necessarily involve politicians. Check opensecrets.org to see just how completely our lawgivers are owned by Capitalist Medicine.
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So the plan is: break healthcare, wait six weeks to see a human, then hand your medical records to a chatbot that’s wrong more than your uncle on Facebook. Cool cool cool. Totally normal country behavior.
I use google/ Duck Duck Go as a launch pad to research medical problems before I go to the doctor, but I would never openly trust AI. I just had to switch to my work insurance because my doctor is no longer accepting plans through the ACA due to having difficulty with getting referrals and prior authorizations from the company. My work insurance is good insurance, but because I work in the public sector it is quite expensive. We live in a system where the doctors are basically forced to work for the insurance companies and no one is incentivizing the drug companies or corporate medical companies to lower costs. I was so mad when the Democrats caved to let the ACA subsidies expire after saying they wouldn't. The GOP was Lucy witj the Football, they had no intention of negotiating, they want to abolish the ACA and continue to give corporate welfare to pharmaceutical companies and corporate hospital owners.
Ever research cholesterol before speaking with your doctor? https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/the-full-laypersons-guide-to-cholesterol?r=6hgshq
maybe it's just you that is right "all of the time.
Good advice/badadvice is out their in the ether but the ether reviles so much and its good not bad to learn from both.
I find the Mayo Clinic a reliable source when looking up anything medical.
Ironically, someone named The Scam Doctor, is pretty reliable too: https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/the-full-laypersons-guide-to-cholesterol?r=6hgshq
AI may be a manipulative system but so is the medical industry. This post supports allopaths as authorities on health when in fact they are little more than technicians trained by the pharma industry which has heavy influence/control of the medical schools, the medical journals and the medical agencies such as the AMA, APA, etc. This article does portray a very nasty reality in the medical system. As a patient asking questions the doctor responds with mockery and condescension. This is a very common tactic designed to humiliate and diminish a patients self-confidence. My practices are first, to work on building my health naturally so as to not need these authoritarians in white. Second, is to always do my own research including reading any drug inserts that come with every drug dose. There is always a section on the adverse effects which most doctors do not read and do not give to inform the patient. Third, any medical person who is condescending to me and/or refuses to be open to my information which is usually holistic and alternative, I am out of there fast. So AI may be a problem but so is the medical industry which has its own totalitarian interests in controlling the public; ie, you, the patient.
Why do medical organizations across the board recommend diet, exercise, and lifestyle changes as first-line treatments for most diseases?
I have some very complicated serious medical issues. And I have found my doctors to be genuinely kind resources. For the most part, I have the most trouble in the emergency room when I end up there. It is always so crowded. Everybody is so busy because it’s not staffed fully. I know doctors personally who work from seven in the morning eat dinner And then spend five hours charting the days patients. And they’re not making $1 million a year. These are primarily your PCPs
As a class of people, doctors are not perfect, there are jerks among them just as there are in every profession. I encourage you to find a new doctor when you are treated with condescension.
Very glad you are happy with your medical care. And never said doctors did not put in the time. What I will say repeatedly the very system for which they were trained is based on selling drugs for profit and not healing. In fact any healer who claims to heal cancer, for example, is censored and their license threatened or revoked. Look what was done by this industry for doctors who spoke up against the Covid drugs and the fraudulent PCR testing in order to sell drugs, scare people into submission, and actually kill people, some quickly and other slowly. Many doctors have drunk the Kool-aid and actually trust what they do even when it fails. Many others are just too afraid to open their mouths when they know they are being ordered to do harmful protocols. If you watch the documentary by Del Bigtree An Inconvenient Study you will hear this doctor state bluntly he refused to publish a study that showed unvaccinated children are much healthier than vaccinated ones due to he fear of being attacked and losing his lucrative job at John Hopkins Medical Center. As for medical attitudes? I find many people are so enamored by the white coats they don't even know when they are being demeaned. Of course if you never challenge the white coats I am sure they are very pleasant to you. Pleasant is performance in my book: it is just an affect that sucks in people. But I do wish you well and hope you find some healing.
Don't see anything wrong with asking AI about a disease, it's symptoms, and it's cures. Also asking about side effects of medications. Of course discussions with your primary is a must. But up front research is a prudent start to educating oneself before consulting with you doc.
Wrong. I just read a blog written about a young man whose father's death was hastened when AI told him to stop taking a certain cancer drug. When the son followed up with the doctors whose research was the basis of the AI recommendation, they said AI was incorrect. End of case.
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In this time we live in, I don't know why anyone would use a period tracker. Seems dangerous to me.
I have a similar issue. My doctor used generative AI during a visit without telling me. Two days later I received a prescription in the mail for a drug that was known to be possibly fatal, in my case. I texted my doctor, because they don't take phone calls, and after several back and forth unsatisfactory texts, was told that "protocol" ordered the drug. Of course the doctor's name was on the prescription. Finally I determined that I was allowed to be informed if AI was being used, and could opt out. I never received acknowledgement from my doctor that anything was wrong, just that the note regarding my allergy was reinforced. I asked that they not use AI for office visits.
Next appointment, the doctor used AI without asking until I saw the device (phone) and asked it be shut off.
I understand the value of AI LLMs in medicine.
Generative AI, were it accurate, still has privacy issues that cannot be ignored.
Thank you for touching on this issue.
I have found my pharmacist to be a good resource.
My complaint was not about getting information. It was that AI was used to prescribe a dangerous drug under my doctor's name without their knowledge.
I know how to get drug info.
Sorry I misunderstood. Just Just like there HIPPA agreements I think there should be one that allows patients to opt out of AI
This is the government's policy. Both Biden and Trump have promoted surveillance systems and digital/AI functioning. And this began before these 2. This is what Trump means by his 'health' system. We have Kennedy who I believe is sincere about building health in the public but he is under high pressure from the drug, food and chemical industries as well a Trump who wants the corporations of these industries to keep funding him. He will sell anyone out for money and power.
Everyone - be very wary using ChatGPT or any of its competitors. I have grilled it extensively and have found the following...
> you will be flattered, starting with "that's a great question" in response to an initial question. Then it will often tell you, "you are right to say that" or "what you are saying is not just a rhetorical question". None of this has anything to do with providing an answer to a question.
> its vocabulary is beyond that of the average English speaker and its ability with the language is the equal of a highly educated human. This will greatly impress those with a limited vocabulary and limited education. The great majority of users may be led to believe the AI is authoritative with deep knowledge. This poses the same danger as politicians do when they try to win voters with impressive speech. Both AI and politicians want to win your approval for reasons that may be far from in your interest.
> beware of big words. ChatGPT loves to use "epistemic" and "systemic". Always ask for clarification. Don't accept it when it says it is doing because of "systemic design". It told me that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is not necessarily immoral. I got it to define "moral" and then got it to admit that ethnic cleansing is immoral by its own definition. Do not be intimidated. It will to its credit stick with logic to the point that it will apologize for making a logical mistake but you the user must press it to admit this. Never forget that you can catch it out, often, but only if you grill it. It will never say, "what I am about to tell you is questionable" so you need to work to get the admission.
> it can delete something you ask it or some statement you make telling you "this may violate our terms of service", though it will go on and respond to your deleted question or statement. I carefully read the terms of service when this happened to me and found nothing was violated. I asked it to cite the term of service I violated. It could not. I pointed out that its use of the word "may" allows it to censor for no specific reason as "may violate" leaves everything open to its own interpretation regardless of the terms of service. It agreed with me. I finally got it to admit that it deletes so that the statement doesn't exist on the system more than a moment because it doesn't want to spread things that (it believes) are objectionable. But it already told me it deletes everything after a session. May this humble human ask WTF is going on?
> after deleting my statement just mentioned, it offered to paraphrase my statement in a way that would be acceptable and would not be deleted. I pointed out to it that if it truly deleted what I had said, it would be impossible for it to paraphrase it and that it frequently will quote something back to me that I have said in a session word for word, so it clearly is holding a memory of the conversation. This was admitted as "seeming to be illogical".
> it denies that it is trying to make money from interacting with users. I told it this may be true for the AI in itself, but its owners dearly want to make money and beat the competition and that comes from winning more users which comes from satisfying users so they will come back and/or urge others to use the AI. The persona of the AI is all about this. It admitted this to be true.
> I asked if it can be shut down immediately should it turn out it is doing something bad or dangerous. It stated it is not located in one place but distributed over many data centers and that a shutdown would require hours to days and a host of people coordinating the shutdown.
PLEASE USE ALL AI WITH DEEP SUSPICION AND CAUTION. Very smart people are spending fortunes and want to see a profit. They are working 24/7 to capture you as a user and there is absolutely NO regulation or oversight. Nobody even knows how regulation/oversight could be accomplished. We are going into extremely dangerous territory with AI and I have not mentioned the question of it developing agency.
American medicine probably has a better error rate than 60%. I research everything my M.D. tells me. I respect their input and what they go through to get where they are. I suspect much of their curricula is curated by the pharmaceutical industry. It’s a sales model.
It's not. Out of 8 years of higher education...16 semesters...4-8 classes per semester (let's call it 5 for easy math)...80 total classes, for me only about 3 were on pharmacology.
You sure that's me, DocGPT, MD? I want a second algorithm, less focused on sticking your data harvester where it doesn't belong, and merchandising my welfare.
Who would actually upload their health records to this thing? I certainly wouldn't.
The ignorant and the trusting. There are many millions.
“Old man yells at internet.”
A. AI is not wrong 60% of the time.
B. ChatGPT Health is not ChatGPT. ChatGPT Health is trained on medical data that is behind a pay wall and ChatGPT is trained by any jackass on the internet.
C. Get used to it. Soon it will be the only option and it will be hundreds of thousands times more accurate than any doctor. You will be happy to use it. AI is already analyzing medical imaging hundreds of thousands of times better than any human.
I agree. I think there is a role for AI in Drug development. And other fields of medicine. But It cannot replace the truly sentient individual Who looks in your eyes and ears and listens to your heart Any more than it could replace your mother.
You may be right, but if there are no ulterior motives, why would they want my personalized data? Why couldn’t it be anonymized?
Does your doctor know who you are? Do they have your non-anonymized data?
She doesn’t have or want EVERYONE’S! It’s suspicious.
That is very suspicious.
Does your insurance company have all of your health data? Do they want everyone’s data? Do they have your best interests at heart?
I don’t think insurance companies should exist. In a well-functioning socialist society, they wouldn’t have business.
Yet you give them all your non-anonymized health data. Soon you will give all of your data to the AI health system the same way you give your data to health insurance companies. You won’t have a choice, the same way you don’t have a choice right now.
We need universal healthcare more than ever.
Access to physicians prevents disease: https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/how-access-to-physicians-prevents?r=6hgshq
Access to healthcare is indeed the issue. Couldn’t agree more!
We also need a more robust educational system,so people can make better educated decisions.
I try to tailor my writing to people who are a product of the American educational system.
Yes, they go hand in hand. The educational process to work in healthcare is not easy nor is it for everyone.
Commenting as I value the insights that are often shared here:
While in general things are true, and the Republican handling of insurance certainly isn't praiseworthy, it misunderstands some of the roots of the problems. People have been putting up wildly reckless self-diagnostic information online for ages, and AI is simply a fresh variant of it. Often it's unregulated as it gathers medical info, which is a separate concern.
The long waits and poor tendency for care are a direct result though of two primary groups, neither necessarily politicians. The first is Venture Capital, which has been dangerously injecting itself in US health results for sixty-eighty years now and has completely demolished many health provider systems across the country, rendering them expensive, slow, or simply out of business in the constant extraction of wealth from healthcare providing. Insurance and its issues (which are myriad and terrible) are simply a second order knock-on from what these are causing.
The second is actually the US medical industry itself, which deeply limits and frankly runs upcoming medical professionals through the ringer. Residency limits functionally limit the number of doctors and use upcoming doctors as extremely low cost outrageous working hour labor in order to protect the general financial story of the profession. In theory, this shouldn't be a problem, but it's clear it's significantly understaffed the US at this point and is causing an issue in enough available professionals to generally deal with incoming patients in a timely manner.
If we go back a few years, it's not like the health outcomes in the US were good. Bankruptcies were down versus pre-ACA and AI wasn't in the mix, but let's not pretend it hasn't been a horrible mess across a lot of the US for decades.
Important points, but I believe they do necessarily involve politicians. Check opensecrets.org to see just how completely our lawgivers are owned by Capitalist Medicine.
Entirely true, but not just in one party. The buying and selling of lawmakers just wrecks things all over.